I think this rather outdated argument says a lot about Ijaz a man who has sadly put his undoubted brilliance (former MIT and a degree in Nuclear Physics) to misguided purposes. The parochial argument about loyalty to any flag entrenches a peculiar notion that patriotism or singing about the stars and stripes will inculcate a sense of belonging and thus avoid any predilection towards radicalism. This view is not uncommon amongst in particular a large section of American Muslims particularly Pakistanis who seem to think they need to wear their patriotism on their sleeve in order to feel a sense of belonging as well prove to other Americans their loyalty.
Ijaz as I say is very shadowy and mixes in peculiar Neo Con circles which is why he is presumably a star and darling of America's right wing Fox News particularly when they need a brown man to speak the white male Establishment line.
As muslims see themselves as a seperate, and as the most important people in the world, with their own political party and agenda, why don't they all live in muslim countries?
ReplyDeleteI wish the muslims here would say I'm british first then I happen to be a muslim.
What would you say if people here said, I'm christian british, I'm hindu british, I'm jewish british, I'm budhist british, I'm atheist british, it would be extremely funny to say the least!
If you're not a British muslim, you are not british you are foreign with alien values to the british way of life.
I don't understand muslims at all they say they are peaceful and integrate, and yet shout their religion in peoples faces with the way they dress and their totally separate way of life to the british. Muslims tell us they hate drink, loath gays, abhor adulturous women, and yet you stay amongst all this debauchery?!
What's so great about living here, the high wages, the benefits, the free NHS and education. Why live here if you hate the british way of life so much, there are hundreds of muslim countries around the world. Ahhh but not so many freebies are there!!! Oh and ahh, and not so much debauchery! ; )
I cannot fathom how anyone of Faith Muslim Christian or Jew would advocate putting God second to anything
ReplyDeleteBut LM what of the 70% of britain that are without any faith? Most in this country do not believe in a fairy land of gods, or the devil etc. Start studying the real world, and not some theory of faith, nature is there to guide you. Think for yourself, instead of following the orders of a human priest! Read Darwin you know it makes sense! Then look around you, and especially closely at embryos, we are all the same, we evolved, no god invented us or our world. We are 96% similar to chimpanzes http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0831_050831_chimp_genes.html Now how does that square with islam?
ReplyDeleteI have sooo many hats i have to carry i dont' really see the point. I am mother, daughter, wife, biz owner, latina, tax payer, Muslim, college student, American, Salvadoran....and so on. This is just stupidity. TELL ME WHAT is being done to stop the oil spill in the gulf affecting MILLIONS of Americans and further devastating our economy, OR the economy with high unemployment Or the soldiers returning from Afghanistan/Iraq with PTSD, the maternity death rate which is UNACCEPTABLE in a developed country. This is BS and red herrings all around.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous if 70% of Brits (which is debatable since religion is a matter of the heart) don't believe in x, y and z and don't want to be associated with anything, thats THEIR PREROGATIVE and RIGHT to do so.
In response to your monkey comment.
-We share 98% of our DNA with pigs ( link)
- We share 60% of our DNA with a fruit fly. ( LINK) and from NASA
- Researchers at Cambridge University are convinced that the mud worms not only share DNA with humans but that they are also our closest invertabrae relatives. ( LINK)
Allah swt says in the Qur'an Chapter Al-Maida verse 60. 5:60
http://quran.com/5/60
Say: "Shall I point out to you something much worse than this, (as judged) by the treatment it received from Allah? those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil; - these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path!"
This was WAAAAAAAAY before your darwin so I do expect similarities among the species mentioned here and elsewhere in the Qur'an.
An anon I would also suggest looking up embryonic development in the Qur'an. http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your link Tuttie, it is always better to be informed. I have read it, and would say it's all a matter of interpretation. The quote from quran, if it is only those words, doesn't actually say anything at all. It's how people have chosen to interpret it.
ReplyDelete"We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)... 1 (Quran, 23:12-14)"
Doesn't it say in the bible that god made man, and then fashioned eve from his rib? So I suppose a bible scientist could argue that god knew about human cloning?
I haven't read the quran or the bible, just the odd passage, so I am by no means an authority on either. But I live by the laws of nature and a natural morality to respect my fellow man, I don't need a book to guide me.
Tuttie I'm arguing for the British that are 70% non beleivers, I'm one of them. If you lived here you would realise we are a totally secular society. Islam has been thrust upon us and generally speaking the British don't like it.
ReplyDeleteWe don't object to people following any faith they chose, but I can't see us changing our way of life to adhere to it's doctrines. I've never heard so much about one particular religion, Islam. The Jews came here in great numbers after the war and just integrated. The Caribbeans and Asians from Uganda did the same. They didn't shout in our faces all day, I'm Jewish etc., so do this and that, and I hate you, and want to kill all British people! I know that's the extremist muslims, and most are not like that, but it does nothing for Islams image, to have such aggressive people in their midst. Why don't the moderate muslims shout against that a lot more?
Please don't keep quoting a book at me, they can be interpreted in anyway, I believe the bible has quotes about swine, so it's all just coincidence.
To me it is madness to be so crawlingly appeasing to one particular religion, Islam, in western countries, and yet at the same time killing them in their own countries! I was very much against our involvement in either Iraq or Afganistan, we should never have gone there. But what do you do about two disgusting governments, it's not the peoples will, it's what big business and megalomaniac men want!!! : (
I agree with all your links, we are all from one source and that is the soup that came from the big bang, and no it wasn't a god.
Um . . thank God for Richard Dawkins!
ReplyDeleteIrony fully intended.
In the Athiest world there are good people and bad people.
In the religious world, good people do bad things in the name of their particular god.
At this moment in world history, (although the pendulum has swung between the paternal religions throughout the centuries) Muslims especially, ought to take note.