Alcohol is booming in the Muslim Gulf like never before.
LM accepts that as in non Muslim countries where we Muslims can eat for example Halal, likewise in Muslim countries the ability of Non Muslims to access alcohol should be available particularly for the expat community.
However, the provision of alcohol which is controlled although not banned largely to ensure "Muslim" politicians have their own steady supply is typical of the hypocrisy so prevalent across the Muslim Gulf.
LM has highlighted the scandal of the most expensive tree in the world being in Abu Dhabi however, the alcohol issue highlights yet another reason why these regimes are in such trouble with their own people. Read my article about Xmas tree where I explain how these practices will bring down Muslim tyrants written before the revolution erupted. While economics and corruption do play pivotal roles in contributing to the Arab Muslim revolution the moral degeneration exemplified by the boom in alcohol sales is also an important contributory factor.
Just like the suspicious manner in which Nestle have been selling pork to Muslims disguised as "Halal" my concern is how the alcohol industry who have so destroyed the fabric of western societies are now targeting Muslims through the sale of non Alcoholic drinks aka beer substitutes.
With more sports events set to take place in the Gulf particularly the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, Muslims need to be mindful that in boardrooms of alcohol companies strategies are being established to tap into the rising demographic of Muslim youth.
LM accepts that as in non Muslim countries where we Muslims can eat for example Halal, likewise in Muslim countries the ability of Non Muslims to access alcohol should be available particularly for the expat community.
However, the provision of alcohol which is controlled although not banned largely to ensure "Muslim" politicians have their own steady supply is typical of the hypocrisy so prevalent across the Muslim Gulf.
LM has highlighted the scandal of the most expensive tree in the world being in Abu Dhabi however, the alcohol issue highlights yet another reason why these regimes are in such trouble with their own people. Read my article about Xmas tree where I explain how these practices will bring down Muslim tyrants written before the revolution erupted. While economics and corruption do play pivotal roles in contributing to the Arab Muslim revolution the moral degeneration exemplified by the boom in alcohol sales is also an important contributory factor.
Just like the suspicious manner in which Nestle have been selling pork to Muslims disguised as "Halal" my concern is how the alcohol industry who have so destroyed the fabric of western societies are now targeting Muslims through the sale of non Alcoholic drinks aka beer substitutes.
With more sports events set to take place in the Gulf particularly the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, Muslims need to be mindful that in boardrooms of alcohol companies strategies are being established to tap into the rising demographic of Muslim youth.
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ReplyDeleteHere's a good piece about Dubai:
http://wordplayblog.co.uk/2011/03/794/
You do realise that many 'muslim' people (i.e. those from muslim families or muslim majority countries) actually want the freedom to make their own decisions about drinking/not drinking? Whether it is against their faith or not, or even whether they choose to adhere to islam's rules about alcohol should be strictly up to them, NOT the state. Alcohol should be legal and individuals should be free to partake or refrain as they see fit. It is not up to the state to force people to follow islam (look how well that works in Iran and other countries).
ReplyDeleteSo what on earth do muslims do when they visit a hospital, walk straight past the alcohol hand disinfectant?
ReplyDeleteAh so that's why disease abounds in our hospitals!
There is nothing wrong with alcohol disinfectant.
ReplyDeleteMuslims are just not allowed to drink. Other uses of alcohol are permissible.
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"even whether they choose to adhere to islam's rules about alcohol should be strictly up to them, NOT the state"
By being a Muslim you choose to follow the laws in the Quran. Praying and fasting thats between you and god.
But when you take drugs/alcohol or do anything that is wrong according to islamic law then you are punished. IT IS upto the STATE to enforce those laws not any individual, what is right, what is wrong, what is moral or immoral all of that muslims get it from the Quran.
"It is not up to the state to force people to follow islam (look how well that works in Iran and other countries"
You are right, the state cannot force people to follow islam, if they no longer like islam they can leave and join up another religion or become atheist.
But once you become muslim then you are under islamic law which is enforced by the state. If a muslim wants to drink , he/she can do so in the privacy of their home, in public others may judge/frown upon.
You say alcohol should be free? well thats your own opinion but muslims follow what god says not what you say simple.
There is nothing wrong with alcohol disinfectant, it is permissible to use it. What's not allowed is drinking alcohol.
ReplyDelete"You do realise that many 'muslim' people (i.e. those from muslim families or muslim majority countries) actually want the freedom to make their own decisions about drinking/not drinking? Whether it is against their faith or not, or even whether they choose to adhere to islam's rules about alcohol should be strictly up to them, NOT the state. Alcohol should be legal and individuals should be free to partake or refrain as they see fit."
ReplyDeleteAlcohol is a dangerous drug that is so harmful that it would be banned if introduced now. On the same premise would the poster justify legalization other dangerous drugs?
The poster is just carrying cultural baggage. We don't need Westoxification.
"You are right, the state cannot force people to follow islam, if they no longer like islam they can leave and join up another religion or become atheist.
ReplyDeleteBut once you become muslim then you are under islamic law which is enforced by the state."
You realise many of these 'muslim' citizens of 'muslim' states never CHOSE to become muslim. They are classified as muslim from birth! I don't know about you, but I've never heard of a newborn baby converting to islam by reciting the shahadah aloud!! They are assumed to be muslim by default due to being from a muslim family. How is this in any way fair? Religious belief/practice is up to individual, not because of your family background. There is no such thing as the 'muslim' gene.
And as for leaving/joining another religion, hahaha, are you kidding me? This is seen as a serious social transgression if not explicitly ILLEGAL (under threat of death or at least a jail stint) in these so called 'muslim' states.
So why shouldn't a group of people (who through no fault of their own are 'forced' to be legally 'muslim') be able to drink freely as they don't practise/believe in the islamic religion? Either allow them the freedom to do 'unislamic' things or allow open apostasy. The state should never force unwilling citizens to follow islam. Or is 'let there be no compulsion in religion' just a well-crafted quranic lie?
"You realise many of these 'muslim' citizens of 'muslim' states never CHOSE to become muslim."
ReplyDeleteTrue, but its the same for everyone. If you are born into a christian family chances are you will remain christian for rest of your life. As a child you would follow and have a christian tradition. So if your christian parents followed bible laws and never ate pork/bacon then you wouldnt eat bacon too(unitl maybe when you are older and buy it yourself).
In theory you are a muslim when you are old enough mature and done your research, but you still follow the law.
"And as for leaving/joining another religion, hahaha, are you kidding me? This is seen as a serious"
True, in some islamic states (not islamic really) if you convert either they make it harder for you to register as non-muslim or persecute you. This is nothing to do with Islam or its law, its to do with the injustice and corruption of so called islamic goverments.
I'm not here to defend the actions of muslims goverments. Above someone accused muslims of not using alcohol disinfectants ...thats what I reply to, if some muslims done evil then they done evil, i am not going to defend that.
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Like i said above, if a muslim (who is not really a muslim) wants to drink or do unislamic stuff then they declare themselves non-muslim. If you are in front of an islamic judge and claim to be muslim then you will be punished according to islamic law. If you are not muslim you wont be punished.
Christians and muslims who converted to christiantiy are free to drink for example in syria/egypt/lebanon. Islamic countries are all not the same, non-muslims in syria or egypt or malaysia or indonesia are not punished for drinking alcohol or eating pork.
I think the most pertinent issue from this discussion here is how islamic law is conducted in a 'muslim' majority state and defining who exactly it applies to.
ReplyDeleteAutomatically applying islamic law to those from 'muslim' families is wrong. It should strictly be an 'OPT IN' system where those adults who declare that yes they do believe in the islamic religion can choose to be governed by its laws. On the other hand 20-something Ali or Fatima, born to muslim parents but in actual fact godless atheists should have full freedom to say NO, they are do not identify as muslim, do not believe in the islamic god or the legitimacy of the quran/sharia, have no desire to follow islam and thus do not want to be governed by islamic law (or the law of any other religion).
Now:
1) will an islamic state easily allow for such open rejection of islam from those 'born' into the religion, without unfairly persecuting these atheists/agnostics/apostates?
2) And what legal code will apply to such people...will an islamic state allow a secular system for those who do not believe/practise any religion?
Somehow I doubt it. I feel sorry for those forced to be governed by islamic law against their will.
Like I said not all islamic countries are the same. In saudi arabia if your 20 something and really not a muslim, and you drink/eat pork you will have hard time convincing the police/judge.
ReplyDeleteBut if you are in Turkey for example, no problems there. In Iran jews are free to follow their religion and can drink alcohol no problems from Islamic law otherwise they would all leave to palestine.
"""will an islamic state easily allow for such open rejection of islam from those 'born' into the religion, without unfairly persecuting these atheists/agnostics/apostates?"""
First there isnt a proper islamic country. Second every muslim country is different. Tunisia for example banned hijab even though its muslim country, now Tunisia is free it can become proper islamic country.
Open rejection of islam say in turkey or lebanon nothing happens to you no persecution likely from the state. In crazy places like afghanistan or iran or saudi arabia state/gov might persecute you. So really its not Islam that says persecute/kill/threaten but actually its the corrupt goverment or group of backward people.
Hopefully now we can have proper free democracy in Egypt/Tunisia, then we can see if apostates are persecuted by state/gov.
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"""And what legal code will apply to such people...will an islamic state allow a secular system for those who do not believe/practise any religion?"""
Again in a proper Islamic country, jews follow Torah laws, christians follow bible laws, muslims islamic law, athiests Secular laws.
Here is an example:-
A 20 year old muslim along with a christian and a jew of similar ages drink alcohol. Police comes along..what happens? The christian and jew free to drink but the muslim person punished/arrested.
So currently in many islamic states non muslims can eat their pork and drink their wine, even though its against Islamic Law.
So in Thoery if you are a proper good devout practising muslim, and you broke the law according to islamic law such as drinking...and you want get yourself out of the situtation you can claim to be a non-muslim an athiest or christian for example in front of the judge. Since there is no ID or something that says what religion you are, then you are free to go.
This is how things should be done in an islamic state. Ofcourse you'll probably be a hypocrite and end up in hell if you say your not muslim then once you are free drink and continue to do un-islamic stuff while claiming to be muslim, then in front of judge you say your not muslim to get away from punishment.
"""I feel sorry for those forced to be governed by islamic law against their will"""
well most islamic countries are not free, i am sure you are aware of the revolutions in arab world. Many things are not free and are against their will not just islam. If usa cared about freedom and justice it would force these so called islamic states to bring justice and reform instead of forcing corrupt goverments on them.
Another example:-
ReplyDeletea person commits adultery in an islamic state.
if that person is a christian, then punished by christian laws(unless they change and claim theyre no longer a christian, in which case then its secular law, which means no law broken no punishment)
if jew then jewish law...if athiest then secular law.
Now the issue is secular states are different not the same. so some parts in usa you have the death penalty where as other secular countries you dont. Singapore i think has strict laws mandatory death sentence for drug misuse.
So you could have an Islamic Secular country , where you could be punished for fornication/adultery according to Secular laws not islamic laws. A secular society could ban prostitution, drugs, alcohol, adultery.
dnt quite understand the situation but in islam if your not allowed to drink that thats a sacrafice your goin to have to tke for your religion and Allah. u dnt need a law to know you shouldn't do something.
ReplyDeleteTo put beef and hide it and say the product is 100 percent halal is completely wrong. people should respect each others values, beliefs. religions etc.
its nothing to argue about thy shud jus meet in the middle Xx