China have taken a very disturbing decision to forbid Muslims from fasting during the holy month of Ramadan.
The Communist Party decided that officials and students in the largely Muslim province of Xinjiang should not only be banned from fasting but also from visiting Mosques.
What LM finds absolutely astonishing about this shocking behaviour which could impact on the 50 Million Chinese Muslims is yes the decision but equally the manner this is being implemented where according to Al Jazeera party leaders are being ordered to bring "gifts" of food to local Muslim village leaders in order to ensure they and their Muslim villagers are eating during Ramadan.
LM has to say while I found the German decision to ban Muslim and Jewish circumcision disgraceful the Chinese are increasingly beginning to display worrying signs of behaviour on a par with the worst of the Nazi Regime in Germany.
China from a moral standpoint you should be ashamed however, from the purely political perspective of self preservation you have taken a step too far with regard to the 9 Million Muslim Uighars in Xinjiang who will react and punish you for your dangerous arrogance.
what is 9 million muslim compare to china..if their majority chinese agreed to this..then we have to follow.
ReplyDeletewhat holy month you talking in china?i totally support china act.
we are not suppose to opose the government it a shame.
^^Are you mad?? People have the right to follow their religion properly!!
ReplyDeleteThis sounds like global shepharding to me: countries are pushing Muslims out, trying to contain them all into one area. Then, once they have all collected together...
ReplyDeleteI'm constantly astonished by muslims lecturing others on morality. Turks murder 1.5 Armenians then deny it, and oppress the Kurds and then lecture Israel on the palestinians. Pakistanis and Bangladeshis both have destroyed thir former Hindu minority communities. Muslims in Egypt kidnap, rape and forcible convert Coptic girls, and in the UK we are starting to have to deal with the same evil with muslim gangs sexually abusing English girls. And you try to lecture the Chines on morality? Londonmuslim, you are deluded.
ReplyDeleteanon,
Delete'Muslim' gangs that are sexually abusing girls are NOT muslims, this is something completely forbidden in islam, and rapes, kidnaps and forcible converts too are completely forbidden, as the Quran says "Let there be no compulsion in religion'.
Please look into these things before making intolerant statements that you clearly have not researched properly.
Islam promotes peace and a moral living, if so called 'believers' choose not to follow this then it is not a reflection on the religion but on the individuals.
Don't look at the black sheep in the community and use them to represent all muslims.
It means not only USA , West and other European countries are worrying about Islam but Communist govt. of China is also worried about Islam as it is a religion that attracts others. This is surely somehow worrisome but it the the decision of a Communist regime which never allows any such religious activity which can leave impact on the whole secular society . But in modern so called European states like France (and others soon to follow) where Islamic values like Hijaab and Burqa is banned. Here they are extremely biased towards the freedom of religion and personal freedom and human and women rights.
ReplyDelete@anon - The Kurds have spent the last 10 years bombing Turkish schools and hospitals through the PKK. If they stop bombing the Turks - the problem will end. It's not a morality issue - it's a defence issue.
ReplyDeleteNo Jasmine, it is plain hypocrisy. The worsed abusers of minority communities again and again are muslim majorities. Whilte in the West imported muslim minorities bitch and moan racism, while they enjoy more freedom and oportunity than ever they would in their origonal homelands, not only that they begin to abuse their hosts and disparage the host culture. When the real backlash happens, the sexual assaults on English children by muzz pedos is probably the straw that breaks the camel's back,...I don't want to think about it.
ReplyDeleteThe turks have been engaged in repression of the Kurdish language and culture for decades. Your explaination for the violence is un-informed and grossly simplistic.
@Anon - I am with you that it's bad and that it should not be: I agree that on the one hand, leaders will give passionate speeches about morality and then turn around an annihilate a different population whilst no one is looking it's "politics" isn't it? All part of a strategy, say you would never do it, make alliances - then break your word, your alliance, your promise and your ethics and what you get in return is a bigger area of the globe to rule and more money. Is not religion as much as it is Capitalism, religious people are just ashamed to admit their capitalist tendencies and so stick a moral label on it. Religion is a profitable expansion of your income - a different space to rule, a different type of population growth - irrespective of land.
ReplyDeleteMy argument re: the Kurds and Turks comes from my being a Turk and watching hundreds of Turks screaming, crying and bleeding on the Turkish news for the last 10-15 years from actions done by the PKK Kurdish terrorists. They are not like the IRA who call the police with code words and make sure buildings have been evacuated (which - whilst still terrorism, seems to value human casualties), whereas the PKK have bombed schools with young children and hospitals full of patients with people still in them - and Turkey has responded with force because...well the only other thing to do is give in, which would be to reward terrorism.
You are right about hypocrisy - no doubt about it - and I share your hate of it and can see it just as well as you can: but what in your opinion are the options available to a leader when under attack? If a bunch of crazies start bombing you, your schools, your hospitals and your children unless you give or do x,y or z - what, in your opinion, is the appropriate response to that?
If I could just understand what the politically sound, leadership alternatives to having enemies that want to kill you are - then maybe I could get behind that alternative.
I mean...I want to know. Sincerely.
At the moment it seems that the majority of world leaders are of the opinion that for true security to be established: the enemy must be completely annihilated, and this is a belief that has been held and practiced for as long as enemies have existed. They (world leaders) appear to be in a competition to achieve these aims, some via religion, others via other political ideals, and others through economics.
Are they wrong to think this way? Is there an alternative?
Speaking about the morality of it will no doubt get everyone upset and angry with no solution, because throughout history there has been no "moral leader" or "moral politics" - so in the end we are arguing over who is the most wrong: again, a dead end - seeing as everyone is too personally involved in the argument - an argument which has no end, seeing as history is a lengthy subject.
I am surprised this is the first you have heard of this as it has been going on for decades. Rcently we heard about the case of a Chinese woman who had to abort her child whilst heavily pregnant. This has happened many times in Occupied East Turkistan (not Xinjiang) and no one bated an eyelid. Xinjiang is the name given to East Turkistan by the Han Chinese which translates to new territory.
ReplyDeleteThe Uyghurs of East Turkistan are Turks and have nothing in common with the Chinese. China continues to encourage Chinese to populate East Turkistan to change the balance of population. 60 years ago Chinese where around 3% now stand at 45% and continue to rise to make Uyghurs a minority.
Chinese do not allow students from school to university or any state worker to fast and actively keep an eye out on any attempting to do so. They even force shop keeperes to open all day during Ramadan.
Chinese demolish the old cities such as Kashgar and force Uyghurs into disgusting apartment blocks destroying their heritage.
China has stopped Uyghurs learning their language at schools they discourage learning or Islam or anything that is to do with Uyghur character.
China carried out above ground Nuclear bomb tests in East Turkstan.
Free East Turkistan from occupation now.
More bullshit
DeleteXinjiang is divided into two regions, one of them is ili, the other is the tarim basin.
Ili was never the homeland of the uyghurs. Ili used to be the zunghar mongol buddhist khanate, who attacked and conquered the uyghur cities in the tarim basin. They oppressed the uyghurs so much that when China invaded and defeated the zunghar khanate in 1758 all of the tarim city states voluntarily submitted to china. The local begs and khans were allowed to stay.
The tarim basin is over 90% uyghur, almost all of the chinese population in xinjiang is in the ili region, which was the zunghar's land, not uyghurs.
2,000 years sgo China ruled the region in the han dynasty and called it xiyu, which means western region, it ruled it again 1,300 years ago in the tang dynasty. It was given the name xinjiang when it was turned from a territory into a province in 1884
The uyghur separatist exile organizations are all lead by rebiya kadeer. They are all unified unlike the chechens who are split between islamists and secularlists, therefore, there is no excuse for the fact that their leader Rebiya Kadeer personally asked zionist american senators like Joe Lieberman for help and Rebiya Kadeer went to the white house and took photos with Bush, which are prominetly displayed on the uyghur american website.
All the uyghur exile organizations receive millions in funds from america. The reason rebiya kadeer was arrested and deported from China was because she was meeting with an american congressional delegation and charged with leaking secrets.
If china was Russia, they wouldn't hsve let her go free. She would have ended up dead like all the chechens who were "disaapeared" after being captured by Russian security forces.
And regarding the bullshit on china's above ground testing, xinjiang had around 4 million uyghurs during the nuke tests in the 1960s and xinjiang at least five times bigger than britain which has over 50 million. The nuclear tests were conducted in the desert with no humans around. The usa conducted nuclear tests in nevada and france in algeria without anyone dying.
When the communists took over china in 1950, they shot 2 million people for being landlords, and during the great leap forward it was shown that misnagement of agriculture can easily lead to millions being starved to death.
If china wanted to wipe out the four million uyghurs in the 1960s, it could have easily destroyed their food supply by bombing all sgricultural areas in xinjiang and starving them.
Anonymous 22:53 is ignorant racist moron. The BIGGEST murderers, liars, terrorists have always been white people. They've killed over half a BILLION people in the last 4 centuries alone. Proof? Overwhelming empirical evidence! White are a cancer, humanity and bullets are the chemotherapy.
ReplyDeleteYou called someone a racist and then went off on white people..... Seems to me you're an ignorant racist moron.
Delete@Anonymous 22:53 Kurds have more rights than any minority in the UK actually. Turkey has had half Kurdish Presidents and Prime Minsiters. 1 in 3 of the parliament is Kurdish. Kurds have state broadcast TV stations and can select extra curricular Kurdish clases.
ReplyDeleteAre there any similar things on this level like this in the UK for the Kurds here or any other minority. Strange how people like you try to justify suffering of Uyghurs by trying to turn the tables.
Are you comparing "indigenous" minorities like the Welsh and Scots to the Kurds, or are you trying to include the foreigner parasitic benefit imports? The onlyt "minority" communities in the UK with the right to exist as indigeneous peoples are the Scots and Welsh. The rest as much as they refuse to integrate and assimilate exist in the UK at the leave and acceptance of the "Native" population. A turk and the truth are like people that have never met. If what anonymous 14:59 says is true why has their been Kurds fighting for their cultural rights so long. Lying is such a bad habit, and you do it long enough truth becomes something you cannot recognize, and that is what it is like to be a turk. You turks have a debt to pay humanity the extermination of the Pontic Greeks and Armenians, the devshirme system, stealing and enslaving the children of non-muslims, the "Occupation" of Constantinople and Antolia, if any people deserved a genocide it is the turks.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous 18:23, So we can se you advocate a holocoust of Turks so your natural European racist nature never fails to express itself. If we are talking genocides you Europeans are the masters of it,no one even come close to matching what you people have achieved in mass murder. Extermination of Armenians, well what about the greater number of Turks that where killed by theirs and Russian hand is that not a genocide? Take you Armenian, Greek, European racist rant elsewhere.
ReplyDeleteAs for integration in the UK, we have research that shows Muslims have more faith in UK systems and laws than you so called natives who invented it all. Why dont you tell the travelling gypsies to integrate they live in there own community cut off from everyone else and by there own rules as well. No your small mind is fixed on muslims.
@anon 18:23 it seems like the previous resondent is not lying as Turkey Presidents\Prime Ministers Turgut Ozal and Bulent Ecevit whre both half Kurdish. Maybe the Kurds are fighting because interfing foreineers like you are meedling where you dont belong.
ReplyDeleteanonymous 18:46 LOL The hypocrisy served up with self-serving historical delusion like only a muslim can do. If you lot were not so sickiningly pathetic you would be tragically hilarious. Europeans are "masters of genocide" like the destruction of the significant Hindu communities in both pakistan and bangladesh, there in 1946 now all but gone, while in India there is still a significant muzz minority. Darfar with non-racist arab muzz exterminate African muzz while the rest of the muzz world... shields Sudan's bashir from justice. The hindu genocide during the islamic invasions, were muzz crow and gloat about how many polythesists with low end estimates of 80 million dead or enslaved.
ReplyDeleteThe European conquest of the Americas, the vast majority of natives died accidently from diseases they had to which they no immunity, qualitatively different than the diliberat slaughter muslims engaged in in India.
As for your intergration horseshit...being a benefits parasite and telling the dumb goora you love "Britain" and being "british" while cursing him every day in your masjid is sedition and parasitism not integration.
@anon 19:15 Blame the Brits for what happened in India. Brits bing European mind you. Europeans did not just dstroy the Americas, what about Africa, or Russian mass killings in Caucus nd Central Asia. What about french in African provinces. So what are you talking about. We can play nubers games all day but issue here is Chinese occupaation. Which you avoid!
ReplyDeleteLOL anonymous 21:34, Blame the Brits who were in India for around two hundred years...Why? They left a modern Democracy, civil service, education system, and transport system, and judicial system. But aside from genocidially murdering so many Hindus, sacking so many Buddhist and Hindu holy places the muslim imperialist left the gaping wounds that divided a united India from the muslim created shitholes bangladesh and pakistan, a united India the Brits in part created. What did the muslim murderers contribute to India murderous sectarianism and beef curry.
ReplyDeleteThe Chinese have every right to do whatever they decide to to to muslim scum in their territory, because as example after examle demonstrates we all know what muslims do given the opportunity, from seeking to humiliate and destroying minority communities in Iraq(Chaldeans, Egypt(Copts) as examples, to raping and pimping out the native children of any country naive and idiotic enough to let the filth immigrate into that country. The French went into north africa to stop muslim slave raiders from the barbary coast from enslaving and molesting European citizens...don't forget the arab muslims invaded and colonized north africa. They have no indigenous right to the territory. And the Russians in central Asia...check your histories all that a result of the need to defeat and subdue muslim agressions...tartars.
Muslims rape and steal for decades or centuries then bitch, whine and moan about how badly abused they are...pathetic shitstains. Wait till the bill comes due in the UK. Your protectors are getting very nervous, soon enough they will be gone and the party for muslims in Great Britain will be very, very over.
@anaon 22:30 your simpl minded racist spurt just shows your natural mindset. No yoou chek your history and stop trying to hide or justify european global destruction. For a start that is not chineese territory but occupid so learn some facts. UK split India when they left as they created borders to suit there certain needs. Divide and conquor create trouble in their former colonies. But dont worry as all the former colonies are migrating here and you Brits will be a minority soon hahahaha.
ReplyDelete@anonymous 17:15 What race is islam again? You inbred muppets are too stupid to tell the difference between a fraudulent belief system and prejudices based on genome types. Last time I looked the entire world had experienced massive decreases in infant mortality, extended lifespans and higher standards of living based on European/Western Civilization the most inovative and dynamic civilization ever in human history. Enough to give you muslims a well-deserved inferiorty complex. As for all the shitstains migrating to the UK and Europe, don't get your hopes up, if not for the benefits system you parasites would starve, and as the economy goes south the native population will turn on you with a vengence, your protectors among the political class are already having to engage in politcal repression against the Native pop. That is a bad sign for you because it means they are nervous, the paradigm that permitted your arrivial in the UK is collapsing. The longer it takes to collapse the more violent and vicious the backlash against, you know who, is going to be. The pedo rapegangs, and their(muslim community's) tacit condoning of those rapegangs is a coffin nail. Think the Charlene Downs Division, the nature of muslims and the incompetence of the authorities that protect them. Those authorities are in the process of recognizing their mistakes and now are fearful the Native population will see them for what they are. Polls show already over 50% of real Europeans are suspicious of muslims and islam. So keep laughing, I wonder if you can laugh as a corpse among the bodies of your family members fertilizing a field in the English countryside. Soon enough we will find out.
ReplyDelete@anon 21:48 Guess what i am still laughing and i will continue to laugh at raicist stains like yourself. Guess what i am also reporting your andres brevik like racist rants haha so when your in prison bending over to pick up the soap i will be laughing at what you get from behind haha.
ReplyDeleteThe so-called leaders of the Muslim Ummah should investigate methods of showing our displeasure e.g. weakening their wordly goals e.g. politics & economy.
ReplyDeleteChina is in competition with the US & India for resources such as energy, industrial minerals, agriculture & access to sea lanes & air traffic. Muslims should play the political rivals off agianst one another. China has a lot to lose in the PNAC world & we can make a difference.
Look at the Olympics, treated as villains & wait for the resurrection of the Fu-Manchu "Yellow Peril" in rightwing circles.
Another troll post by londonmuslim.
ReplyDeleteUyghurs are NOT being forced to eat if they don't work for the governmnent. If you are a "party cadre" that means you are a member of the communist party which is officially ATHEIST.
By the way, why would china only ban fasting in xinjiang for uyghurs, but not in the heavily muslim xunhua salar autonomous county, ningxia hui autonomous region, the heavily muslim autonomous regions in gandu, where muslim dongxiang, hui, salar, and bonan are all allowed to fast in pray?
Why would china allow muslims to fast direclt in its capital of beijing, and in central chinese provinces like henan and allow muslims religious freedom there, but only ban it in xinjiang?
Because every single report of china allegedly forcing only uyghur muslims in xinjiang to eat, comes from separatist uyghur nationalist exile organizations. In 2009, they claimed 10,000 uyghurs dissapred without offering any evidence or names.
In the official media in china, in both chinese and english, no such directives to force muslims to eat have been published, go to the xinhua english website and look "ramadan", and it talks about muslims fasting and praying and nothing else.
Muslims do not number 50 million in china. They are slightly over 20 million.the "50 milkion" figure came from the warlord era in china when there was no census and central government.
The majority of muslims in china are not uyghur, but hui. And china does not force them to break fast. If china has no problem with the hui praying and fasting right in chjna's major cities, it would not have any reason to randomly ban uyghurs from fasting and piss of millions of people. Think critically before you blatanly copy the aljazeera article which is sourced by anecdotes.
Go book a flight to beijing and visit the niujie mosque, go to the ningxia hui autonomous region, or xining in qinghai which are heavily populated by muslims, and go visit gansu provinve, beijing has tons of mosques while moscow barely has any, and prayers and fasting are not prohibited. Saudi arabia even has stuck its tentacles into qinghai and finances wahhabis, its strange that the chinese government would randomly allow wahhabis deep inside its borders, while prohibiting islam in xinjiang which is a sparsely populated border province.
By the way, al jazeera english does not have a bureau in china anymore with any reporters. The article is sourced based on second hand hearsay and anecdotes.
ReplyDeleteAround 20 years ago, after protests by muslims, the chinese government banned the book "sexual customs" (written by a private citizen not the government) which contained false libel against muslims. During the last year of the pig in the chinese calender, the chinese government also banned pig related commercials from muslim areas.
Why would china go out of its way just to deliberately offend uyghur muslims but not the over 10 million other muslims in china? China has been very careful to avoid offending local sensibilities since any misunderstanding can provoke riots.
Xinjiang is also not under military occupation as the photo here implies. uyghurs are citizens of china and are free to move to chinese cities like beijing and shanghai, unlike palestinians in the wests bank who are not citizeans of israel and can barely move around the west bank.
Uyghurs can also legally have over two children unlike han chinese who have one child policy restrictions.
Xinjiang is also an area open to foreign tourists, including muslims, why would china provoke the uyghurs and allow everyone to see whats going on? Its because they aren't provoking the locals, so watch it before spreading libel from the aljazeera story, which is sourced on hearsay and not actual evidence.
99% of claims of "persecution" have come from exiled uyghur separatist groups.
ReplyDeleteThe hui, salar, and dongxiang, all of whom are muslim, have not formed any separatist groups and don't wish to separate from China. They will stay in china no matter what government is in power. They don't have any problems in observing their religion. Any violence involving them originates as a secular matter, not religious, such as a driver accidently running over a hui, and they demand monetary compensation, or drug trafficking.
That is because both the west and the soviet union funded uyghur separatists during the cold ear to destabalize china and thats why these organizations exist. The world uyghur congress receives money from america. The soviet union supported the uyghur communist ehmetjan qasim and his puppet "second east turkestan republic", which was controlled by the Soviets.
The first east turkestan republic was established by xenophobes like Sabit Damulla Abdulbaki who also hated Hui muslims as well as han chinese. The leaders of this "republic" started out by begging Britain for help before an army of Hui muslims crushed them and disbanded their government in 1934